Completed Swiss Confederation Army Roster for 1815

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Completed Swiss Confederation Army Roster for 1815

Postby Chuckman » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:14 am

Thoughts, comments, suggestions? Balance?

Swiss Confederation 1805-1815
*Note that some of my caps are estimates. Should be correct within 1 or 2 in most cases.
Cavalry *Estimate 500 men per regiment
1. 6 Heavy Dragoon Regiments
2. 3 Dragoon Regiments
3. 3 Hussar Regiments
4. 3 Horse Jagers / Chasseurs a Cheval Regiments
5. 2 Light Dragoon Regiments
Infantry; 500 men per battalion
1. 12 Battalions Grenadiers
2. 4 Battalions Former French Swiss *1814-1815 only
3. 40 Battalions Line
4. 20 Detached Sharpshooter Companies
5. 10 Battalions Reserve
6. 10 Battalions Landwehr (estimate)
Artillery
20 Batteries Foot and Horse Artillery

Sources;
1) 2 Orders of battle (1795 and 1815) *all can be seen in main thread
2) This series of engravings; http://www.sticheschweiz.ch/textdb04/da ... mit=Search
3) A mod for single player play has been created;
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthre ... 377&page=2
Excellent work and source, BUT with errors;
Spoiler: show
It has included uniits from 1800 to post Napoleonic Wars. The player has done an excellent job; he has another set of plates visible in this site and several units that are listed below. There are several errors though in his translations (on the plates they call dragoons mounted artillery, he did not notice), he did not have an order of battle and he has included many uniforms past 1815. Additionally, he states that Swiss troops did not look like the French troops, this is not true! Scroll down the Geneva grenadiers page to see the French style uniforms the Genevans wore (these uniforms are from 1814; it is possible they copied the French), Excellent work though; but I can not use it as a source without pointing out errors. *I have only added links to units on his list that are correct for 1815.


Swiss Confederation Army List 1815

Command
Dark blue jackets, light blue pants, bicorns
*These actually have dark green jackets, this is bern before new uniforms
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*note I have increased the cap for each type of cavalry by one for 5 cavalry units in the roster with no designation (unknown units).

Cavalry
1. Bernstadt Heavy Dragoons (cap 2)
uniform; buff pants and jacket, red facings, gold Russian curassier helmet with black crest, black blanket roll with white and red stripe
stats; average heavy dragoons (probably 3rd tier cavalry)
numbers; regiment; assume units of 500 for each (half the size of numbers given in 1805) 72 (each regiment of dragoons had been 1000 men a few years before, and may still have been), so I suggest putting some of the extra numbers here. The lucerne and bernstadt dragoons represent "line heavies" more than the other two. Heavies continued to look like this for at least 40 years (but got green jackets)
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2. Lucerne Heavy Dragoons (cap 2) *this unit continued to exist after Nap wars; this helmet was the standard helmet afterwards as well (along with the Bernstadt dragoons) I have increased the cap to represent 1 of the unknown units (perhaps Zurich or Geneva)
uniform; red jackets, light blue pants and facings, black bavarian type helmet black crest, light blue horse blanket
stats; average heavy dragoons (probably 3rd tier cavalry)
numbers; regiment 72
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3. Berner Heavy Dragoons (cap 1)
uniform; dark green jacket and pants, red facings, black shako, dark green horse blanket with red and white stripe
stats; average heavy dragoons (probably 3rd tier cavalry)
numbers; regiment 72
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4. Basel Heavy Dragoons (cap 1)
uniform; as french dragoons but with light blue pants and gold helmet, white fur horse blanket with a red stripe
stats; slightly weaker heavy dragoons (basel is a smaller state)
numbers; regiment 72
http://www.brigade-uniform-tafeln.de/in ... -1811.html
This unit has already been modded, can be seen here as well as a better plate;
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthre ... 377&page=2

5. Hussars (cap 3) (*there were at least 2 regiments; Solothurn and Friburg plus 1 for unknown unit)
uniforms; red jackets, light blue pelisse and pants, white braiding, light blue horse blanket with red blanket roll.black shako with tall black plume
stats; average hussars
numbers; regiment 72
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6. Dragoons (cap 3) (*there were at least 2 regiments; Bern and Vaud plus 1 for unknown)
uniform; dark blue jacket and buff pants, red facings, black shako with tall green plume, dark blue jacket with red stripe, white belts,
stats; average dragoons
numbers; regiment 72
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7. Horse Jagers / Chasseurs a Cheval (cap 3) (Solothurn, Zurich plus one unknown)
uniforms; dark green jackets and pants, red facings, red leg stripe and red braiding, black shako with tall red over green plume
stats; average light cavalry
numbers; regiment 72
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This unit has been created; can be seen here;
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthre ... 377&page=2

8. Light Dragoons (cap 2) *Uniform based on Solothurn Light Dragoons plus one for unknown unit
uniform; dark blue jacket and dark blue pants, red facings, black shako with tall red plume, dark blue jacket with red stripe, white belts, red braiding
stats; average light dragoons (swiss cavalry is probably 3rd tier)
numbers; regiment 72
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9. Solothurn Hussars (cap 1) *scout squadron
uniforms; red jackets, light blue pelisse and pants, white braiding, light blue horse blanket with red blanket roll, black shako with tall black plume
stats; average hussars
numbers; squadron 32
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Re: Switzerland Army 1815

Postby Chuckman » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:15 am

Infantry
1. Geneva Grenadiere (cap 2) *I have inflated grenadier caps by 1 (though there may have been two of each of these) to represent various factions grenadiers; in 1795 half of the Swiss army was grenadiers; 1 bat fusiliers, 1 grenadiers.
uniforms; black bear skin, black jacket, red vest and facings, white pants
stats; elite level grenadiers
numbers; 500 man battalion *note these top two are cermonial confederation units from 1814.
http://www.schenk-photos.ch/GENEVA_1/Vi ... ers.html#4
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2. Fribourgeouis Grenadiere (cap 2)
uniforms; black bicorn point forwards, blue jacket, red facings, light blue pants, red facings, white belts
stats; elite level grenadiers
numbers; 500 man battalion
These are them, uniforms from 1814;
http://www.grenadiers-fribourg.com/Inte ... lcome.html

3. Grenadiers Vaudois (cap 2) (french region; so label is french)
uniforms; black bicorn sideways, dark blue jackets, dark blue pants, red facings
stats; elite level grenadiers
numbers; 500 men battalions
Mod version and uniform plate can be seen here;
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthre ... 377&page=2

4. Bern Sharpshooters (cap 1) (5 combined companies)
*Swiss sharpshooters were dressed as line but had a green plume
uniforms; use bern, original uniform dark green jacket with light blue pants, black austrian hat, green plume
stats; excellent jagers; mountaineers
numbers; battalion size
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5. Bernstadt Grenadiers (cap 2)
uniforms; dark blue jackets, white pants, black bearskin,
stats; excellent line grenadiers
numbers; 500 men battalions
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6. Basler Grenadiere (cap 2)
uniforms; black bearskin, dark green jackets, white pants, red vest and facings
stats; excellent line grenadiers
numbers; 500 men battalions
Mod version and uniform plate can be seen here;
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthre ... 377&page=2

7. Veteran French Line (cap 4) (former french troops) *4 battalions of French Swiss headed for home when Napoleon returned in 1815; they were part of the army that formed. This uniform was either based on Geneva's or Geneva copied them;
there were 4 battalions of former french swiss
Scroll down this site to see Geneva version of line (soldier on left)
http://www.schenk-photos.ch/GENEVA_1/Vi ... ers.html#4
uniforms; choose red and black former french troops, but change shako badges to Swiss
stats; Swiss as in NTW3
numbers; 500 men battalions
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8. Luzern Line (cap 4) There were 4 battalions
uniforms; Black jackets, dark blue pants, light blue facings austrian hat
stats;line, boosted morale, average to low average other stats? better unit
numbers; 500 men battalions
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Mod version and uniform plate can be seen here;
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthre ... 377&page=2

9. Fucilieri Ticinesi (cap 2) (Italian Speaking Region) Sharp! There were 2 battalions
uniforms; white jackets and pants, red facings and vest, black austrian hat
stats;line, boosted morale, average to low average other stats? slightly better unit
numbers; 500 men battalions
Mod version and uniform plate can be seen here;
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthre ... 377&page=2

10. Bern Line (cap 8) *these appear to be the first troops to get new uniforms
uniforms; dark blue jackets, dark blue pants, shako, red collar, red pom pom
stats; line, boosted morale, average to low average other stats? slightly better unit
numbers; 500 men battalions
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11. Geneva Line (cap 8)
uniforms; black jackets, red vest, red piping on black facings, white pants, shako
stats; line, boosted morale, average to low average other stats?
numbers; 500 men battalions
http://www.e-pics.ethz.ch/index/ethbib. ... 24438.html
http://www.e-pics.ethz.ch/index/ethbib. ... 24444.html
http://www.e-pics.ethz.ch/index/ethbib. ... 24439.html

12. Swiss Line (no cap) (Zurich and several other factions)
uniforms; dark blue jackets, light blue pants, austrian hat
stats;line, boosted morale, average to low average other stats?
numbers; 500 men battalions
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13. Marching Battalions (no cap) (reserve) *uniformed as line
uniforms; grey jackets, light blue pants, austrian hat
stats; 2nd line
numbers; 500 men battalions
*note these are Schwitz line; just change jacket colour to grey
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14. Sharpshooter Companies (14 more, no cap) *sharpshooters were as line but had a green plume
uniforms; black jackets, light blue pants, austrian hat, green plume
stats; excellent lights (mountaniers)
numbers; companies
*these are luzern line; like these but light blue pants, green plume
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15. Militia
uniforms; dark blue jackets, light blue pants, bicorn
stats; militia
numbers; 500 man battalions
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Re: Switzerland Army 1815

Postby Chuckman » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:22 am

Artillery
1. Bern 12 Pound Foot Artillery (cap 1)
uniforms; dark blue jackets and pants, black shako
stats; average
numbers; battery
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2. Zurich 6 Pounder Horse Artillery (cap 1)
uniforms; grey blue jackets, light blue pants, austrian hats
stats; average
numbers; battery
*like these but grey blue jacket (these are Bern in 1813)
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3. Bern 6 Pounder Horse Artillery (cap 1)
uniforms; dark blue jackets and pants, black shako
stats; average
numbers; battery
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4. Vand 6 Pounder Battery (cap 1)
uniforms; grey jacket and pants, austrian hat
stats; average
numbers; battery
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4. 6 Pound Foot Artillery (cap 1)
uniforms; black jacket, light blue pants, austrian hat
stats; average
numbers; battery
*like these but black jacket
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5. Bern Engineers (cap 1)
uniforms; dark blue jackets and pants
stats; average
numbers; small unit
Like the foot artillery for Bern
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4. Reserve 6 Pound Foot Artillery (cap 1)
uniforms; dark blue jackets, grey pants, bicorn
stats; 2nd line
numbers; battery
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7. Zurich 3 Pound Foot Artillery (cap 2)
uniforms; grey blue jackets and light blue pants, austrian hat
stats; average
numbers; battery
*like these but grey blue jacket
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Re: Completed Swiss Confederation Army Roster for 1815

Postby Lord Uxbridge » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:19 am

Excellent research, i didn't know the Swiss confedertion had such a good variety of units - this would make a great new faction for v.3.

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Re: Completed Swiss Confederation Army Roster for 1815

Postby Chuckman » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:18 pm

Thanks!

I had no idea what they looked like either, I would have assumed something like the French Swiss units in terms of colour at least. This seems to have been true for at least Geneva Grenadiers which predate the Napoleonic Wars. Geneva is 1 of the 8 or so bigger cantons; but joined confederation in 1815) Blue, grey, black and light blue are much more typical.
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Re: Completed Swiss Confederation Army Roster for 1815

Postby Chuckman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:50 pm

Added several grenadier units, and 2 line units.

Rationalle for Unit Quality and Army Balance
Infantry
Swiss were notoriously steadfast mercenaries, these would have been very good infantry, possibly excellent. Stats perhaps as French line (not veteran) with increased morale and stamina. Napoleon mentioned they were hard to drill however. I think they would have better than average morale and stamina but average shooting (possibly slightly lower than average shooting). Their elite infantry were their grenadiers, and there appears to have been a lot of them. They would have excellent grenadiers and skirmishers especially.

Cavalry
Lots of cavalry choices, though no curassiers or uhlan. These would have been inexpereinced on the battle field; my estimate is 3rd tier with Bavaria Austria etc. The heavies would probably be where prussian line curassiers currently are in terms of stats. No shortage of cavalry in this list though.

Artillery
Average to low average artillery, just based on their lack of battle experience and the fact that they were many nations combined into one.
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Re: Completed Swiss Confederation Army Roster for 1815

Postby Chuckman » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:49 am

I have found plates for Geneva infantry, they ARE just as the Grenadiers but with shakos, very sharp! See links below; basically black jackets with red vest and trim, white pants, standard shako. I think this adds another colourful unit to this army. This would be a great looking army.

http://www.e-pics.ethz.ch/index/ethbib. ... 24438.html
http://www.e-pics.ethz.ch/index/ethbib. ... 24444.html
http://www.e-pics.ethz.ch/index/ethbib. ... 24439.html

I think that 1815 would be the perfect time to make this army for; they were transitioning between the very sharp Austrian hat and the shako, so there are units with both, plus Geneva had just entered the confederation and their uniforms are my favourite of the infantry (and Tuscino's). Also, cavalry was also being expanded.

Also here is a link showing several Swiss factions flags and uniforms;
http://arhisto.ch/porte-drapeaux.htm

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