Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

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Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Desaix » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:54 am

Always been a bit scared about starting this huge battle, second only to Waterloo as number of units, but it looks like time is ready since Scourge of War WL failed to steal me from the NTW engine and next release of Histwar will probably play on stage as the new Godot.
I've finished to compile the OOB and I took the crazy decision (for debugging purpose) to make two different scenarios so don't expect the final release before summer since my time is enough limited and I have to finish Sagunto and Raab before Ligny.

1) Full battle at regimental level with 212 units
2) Ligny scenario at battalion level without the fightings occured on the french right, that is to say without Grouchy's cavalry, Hulot's division and the whole III prussian Korps who honestly did not play a relevant role in the battle. In this case the amount of units is set to 215

Map will not be a walk in the park, lot of bridges (not sure I will set many of them), lot of villages key positions for the battle like Ligny Castle, St Amand farm therefore a couple of occupiable buildings will be mandatory. Still undecided whether to select one full map for both scenarios (in this case there's a slight chance to see the battle finished) or my demanding Napoleonic soul will require two different maps (in this latter case I will prepare first the regimental size scenario and see how the battalion level plays on that). Pity that Ziuk cannot help anymore with maps, but without Polish Lancers around not sure he would have been interested anyway.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby stilgar » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:53 pm

Very good news indeed. I'd suggest to keep it simple and go for one map. You can always do the other one later when time is right.
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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Lepic » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:13 pm

1) Full battle at regimental level with 212 units

do you think this will be playable based upon the games limitations
from experience the hb's with either high units qty-levels or the extra map terrain are pretty unplayable for most or
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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Desaix » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:53 pm

Dont' know a lot about that extra map terrain, map is fixed 2048*2048 metres, but Waterloo with 225 units is still playable 2vs2 with some acceptable lag so Ligny will be as well.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Lepic » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:12 pm

Dont' know a lot about that extra map terrain, map is fixed 2048*2048 metres

the terrain itself 4 example Corunna is very hard going ground to move over this is what i refer 2
dont get me wrong here i like the added realism but as an example these hb maps played as classic mp even are almost unplayable as well

unacceptable lag is not due either to players connection speeds or pc
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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Desaix » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:29 am

Sorry, cannot help in this case, HB maps are intended to be played as HB scenarios, classic is out of my businness.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Mr. Doran » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:35 am

Consider land bridges this time as an alternative to the physical bridge. They may be an eyesore but will save many eye blood vessels from popping when yet another battery is lost to a bridge crossing.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Mr. Doran » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:35 am

Accidental double post waiting removal.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Desaix » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:00 am

Mr. Doran wrote:Consider land bridges this time as an alternative to the physical bridge. They may be an eyesore but will save many eye blood vessels from popping when yet another battery is lost to a bridge crossing.


Both artillery did not cross the Ligne during the battle. Bridges and roads in Ligny village were wery narrow, don't think you'll ever want to venture with limbers there.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Lepic » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:29 am

Sorry, cannot help in this case, HB maps are intended to be played as HB scenarios, classic is out of my businness.

ok then the HB scenarios can be unplayable with unacceptable lag for most players even at 2v2 option player selection
these are the larger unit level and terrain map HB's

so to start to create another with these units levels seems a waste could there not be an alternative way forward here
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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Desaix » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:43 am

While I'm open to any suggestions, with HB I grant myself the ability to judge what will be a waste of time and what will not. Furthermore what is laggy today can become playable in a couple of years.

I remember buying those wonderful boxes by Clash of Arms with the only masochistic plan to deploy counters on map and look at them. With some HB I have the same feeling. I repeat: if Waterloo is playable everything on the same level should be, of course perfect solution would be 3vs3 but still 2vs2 add decent variability to battle outcome.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Lepic » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:56 am

what is laggy today can become playable in a couple of years.

so we are actually looking at being able to play it in 2 years time then
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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Desaix » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:06 pm

It's getting boring, you want to play smaller scenarios, you have plenty of them both on classic and HB or alternatively learn how to make your favourite as Ziuk did years ago when I had little interested in polish struggles like Gorzyce or Raszyn. I do my plan about what attract me and on my PC specs, and they allow me to play large battle like Ligny, pity if you cannot.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Lepic » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:36 pm

i am not saying to make smaller ones
its the scale which makes hb's epic
i do play them i even like the additional map terrain hard going ground
point being i presumed incorrectly clearly that this was for community benefit and hopefully to increase popularity or player number
sorry i was wrong i understand now its for the chosen few and self indulgence
nothing wrong with that as all must do whatever and how they like but for me its more about the community than myself
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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Desaix » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:06 pm

Yes, you did the wrong assumption then. Sorry about that.

Could sound selfish but I didn't/don't spend hundreds (if not thousands) hours of my spare (sometimes working) time doing HBs for a generic community. I don't get paid for doing HB, I'm not retired or full of Bitcoins like Doran ;) to invest my time to please the community. All I've done it's been because of my pleasure playing HB and for the love I've always enjoyed about everything with a capital N on it. I stopped doing new HB because I had some hopes about other napoleonic programs that eventually proved unsuccesfull.

You talk about hb's epic? Large battles are epic more than small ones because you have more options on a strategic level with a large front and lot of units. In the end everybody has his own meaning of "epicness". To be honest your meaning is not completely clear to me.

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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Lepic » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:37 pm

not selfish its your hobby and for fun not profit
have always stated all must do whatever they want and like

its for me the same other than i want to see a much larger player base or players

my meaning = hb 4 me have been the best battle experience within the mod and enjoyed playing the most
these were not played however with house rules or standard files

conceptually the scenarios are really onto something as well very special
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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Ztrain909 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:58 pm

Des, you were right.
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Re: Battle of Ligny, Napoleon's last victory

Postby Lord Lepic » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:05 pm

“History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.”
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