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Historically accurate french uniforms

Postby sbeowulf » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:30 pm

Hello Devs and everyone that is interested,
I wish to talk some about the historical aspect of the French Shako's in-game and in-mod
Since ntw first released (apperently) nobody noticed that one of the most distinctive historical parts of the shako's was missing on the units. (especially line infantry)

Even now most mods don't seem to get that part, even when it is already implemented in the game from the start, just not on the right units :/
It is called a pompon (tuft or hackle) in the game/mods it is not implemented on those units, yet it is a a very historical and distinctive part of the French line infantry, the colour and shape of the pompon varie for example; what kind of infantry they are to what regiment they are from.

In 1811, orders were made for uniforms that distinguished each fusileer company of a battalion.

The first company would have dark-green pom-poms, the second sky-blue, the third an orange-pink and the fourth violet.

Plumes were only to be used by senior officers. A colonel had white, a major red-topped white and a chef de bataillon had red. More junior officers and non-commissioned officers were to have white pom-poms, with those in voltigeur companies wearing yellow and grenadiers red.


for example; the French Grenadiers (amongs others) had a long plume on top of their shako: http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/art_cap.gif

While normal line infantry had a pompon: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/23 ... 204751.jpg

Here's a picture of a pompon (at least what looks like one) that is already implemented in the game: *

*This image is from a line infantry unit that is featured in the peninsular campaign dlc : http://wiki.totalwar.com/images/e/e9/Nt ... s_info.jpg

And they did not only use the pompon in the peninsular, they used it everywere.

Also here is a picture of how the units with missing pompons look in vanilla: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb49 ... iliers.jpg

This is just another common overlooked detail that can still be fixed! ;)

This is just some Historical advise, I hope you can learn something out of it, take it or leave it it's up to you to decide ;)

Kind regards,
Sbeowulf

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Re: Historically accurate french uniforms

Postby Retyn » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:37 pm

sbeowulf wrote:Hello Devs and everyone that is interested,
I wish to talk some about the historical aspect of the French Shako's in-game and in-mod
Since ntw first released (apperently) nobody noticed that one of the most distinctive historical parts of the shako's was missing on the units. (especially line infantry)

Even now most mods don't seem to get that part, even when it is already implemented in the game from the start, just not on the right units :/
It is called a pompon (tuft or hackle) in the game/mods it is not implemented on those units, yet it is a a very historical and distinctive part of the French line infantry, the colour and shape of the pompon varie for example; what kind of infantry they are to what regiment they are from.

In 1811, orders were made for uniforms that distinguished each fusileer company of a battalion.

The first company would have dark-green pom-poms, the second sky-blue, the third an orange-pink and the fourth violet.

Plumes were only to be used by senior officers. A colonel had white, a major red-topped white and a chef de bataillon had red. More junior officers and non-commissioned officers were to have white pom-poms, with those in voltigeur companies wearing yellow and grenadiers red.


for example; the French Grenadiers (amongs others) had a long plume on top of their shako: http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/art_cap.gif

While normal line infantry had a pompon: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/23 ... 204751.jpg

Here's a picture of a pompon (at least what looks like one) that is already implemented in the game: *

*This image is from a line infantry unit that is featured in the peninsular campaign dlc : http://wiki.totalwar.com/images/e/e9/Nt ... s_info.jpg

And they did not only use the pompon in the peninsular, they used it everywere.

Also here is a picture of how the units with missing pompons look in vanilla: http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb49 ... iliers.jpg

This is just another common overlooked detail that can still be fixed! ;)

This is just some Historical advise, I hope you can learn something out of it, take it or leave it it's up to you to decide ;)

Kind regards,
Sbeowulf


Sorry to tell you, but when i look at a uniform, the last thing that I look at is what they have on top of their caps. When opening a serious topic like this, telling the devs that they have mistaken something, i didnt expect somebody complaining about pompons, I expected somebody complaining about the Breeches, how they are wrong or something along that line. Also you explained how every company of a battalion had a different pompon, although I dont get how that would really improve the game. Also the Napoleon engine replaces the casualty of a soldier with another random one, so eventually your line would be mixed pompons all along the formation. And I also think that it is not there on purpose, being so unimportant.
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Re: Historically accurate french uniforms

Postby Lord Liberalis » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:09 am

All suggestions are welcome. Certainly we would like to push the boundaries of realism further, but there are some details that might not but integrated because of the workload involved. :biggrin:
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Re: Historically accurate french uniforms

Postby Sloop » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:00 pm

I demand Pompoms!

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Re: Historically accurate french uniforms

Postby EmperorGreatUnknown » Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:36 pm

Any color of plume can already be made into a color of pompom. The only problem is that NTW3 roughly represents units on the Battalion scale. So units would be intermixed in pompom color (which would be either the silliest cool thing, or the coolest silly thing).

Granted I think companies were evened our or filled in before a battle, so you could have instances of Pompom intermixing from that, but not like a rainbow unit.

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Re: Historically accurate french uniforms

Postby Lord Cambridge » Thu May 17, 2018 7:57 pm

Sbeowulf is right, gentlemen and moddlers, it would be really great if ou could integrate the pompons and plumes, put green pompons for the light infantry and green plumes for the chasseurs and tirailleurs, and put red pompons for line infantry.

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