“Legion Infernale”

[Jakob]

Weee! I was right.

[Broomstick]

hungarian infantry with german helmets...and grenzers pants....kk

[stilgar]

http://empire.histofig.com/51-Inf-Rgt.html

I am not sure about facings color in this source ... The blue on 51st facing is referred to as "dark blue" (Osprey's) and "French blue" (napoleonistika.com). Piratul's images also show dark blue facing (I guess those guys did some research as well before making and wearing uniforms).

As for helmets, this is probably a good choice. Helmets were replaced officially by shako's in 1806 (however, many units seems to wear helmets for a few more years). Therefore, the 51st must have worn helmets at Marengo. So, the case for helmet is strong (plus, it looks cooler).

However, if uniforms of 1810-1815 period are strongly preferred in the mod, then Shako should be chosen.

Fullin, sorry for bothering again, but I though these considerations are worth taking into account. Regards!

[Lord Fullin]

When we researched the austrian army for our mod period 1809-15 we found out that in general the german units kept their helmets for a long while , and the hungarian ones , got replacements for them sooner.

This "romanian" unit being neither german nor hungarian will be represented in game with helmets and hungarian style uniform , following the Histofig pattern.

If any conclusive , evidence on the contrary is supplied, then it will be reviewed , if not , as this, it will march forward.

[stilgar]

Fair enough. Thanks a lot, Fullin. Looking forward to that patch.

[Jakob]

This "romanian" unit being neither german nor hungarian

No, you had "German" units in the Austrian army (generally Austrian, Italian, Czech) and then you had "Hungarian" units. (This included Romanian troops, as well as Croats, Slovaks, and Ruthenians)

That's how I came to understand it. But since the unit's glory days were at Morengo, just give them the football helmet.

[Ziuk]

This "romanian" unit being neither german nor hungarian

No, you had "German" units in the Austrian army (generally Austrian, Italian, Czech) and then you had "Hungarian" units. (This included Romanian troops, as well as Croats, Slovaks, and Ruthenians)

That's how I came to understand it. But since the unit's glory days were at Morengo, just give them the football helmet.

Remember that in that time in Transylvania lived a quite large population of Germans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons
Habsburg dynasty tended to favor Germans in army and administration.

[Lord Fullin]

This "romanian" unit being neither german nor hungarian

No, you had "German" units in the Austrian army (generally Austrian, Italian, Czech) and then you had "Hungarian" units. (This included Romanian troops, as well as Croats, Slovaks, and Ruthenians)

That's how I came to understand it. But since the unit's glory days were at Morengo, just give them the football helmet.

Then shakos are gonna be...because our time period is not Marengos

[stilgar]

Then shakos are gonna be...because our time period is not Marengos

That will do, sir. I think we have the Marengo-time version in historical battle already (lol ... I should have loaded historical Marengo and have a look at 51st there. I guess, Desaix did his homework on uniform for 51st.) Cheers!

[Lord Liberalis]

MP time period is 1809-1815, if anyone missed the info.

[Zcar]

When we researched the austrian army for our mod period 1809-15 we found out that in general the german units kept their helmets for a long while , and the hungarian ones , got replacements for them sooner.

This "romanian" unit being neither german nor hungarian will be represented in game with helmets and hungarian style uniform , following the Histofig pattern.

If any conclusive , evidence on the contrary is supplied, then it will be reviewed , if not , as this, it will march forward.

Romania did not exist back then, this unit was a Hungarian regiment in which both ethnic Hungarians and Romanians fought. Claiming it to be Romanian or being only ethnically Romanian is highly insulting to Hungarian history. I would add just cause some Hungarian hussars went to France and created a hussar regiment that regiment is not Hungarian politically and those Hungarians did not fight for Hungarian interest, simply some of them were ethnic Hungarians, but at the end it was a French regiment. This is the very case here, Splényi regiment is a Hungarian regiment with ethnic Hungarians and Romanians mostly, and that's it. Lets not even go into that this mod uses Austria in a very bad manner, as the Hungarian Kingdom was never really assimilated into the Austrian realm, and in fact all Habsburg rulers were Austrian Kaiser and Hungarian kings, therefore Habsburg empire would be the proper name if you want to refer to both Austrian empire and Hungarian kingdom. Hungarian nobles every timed rebelled when it was at any risk. As well as speaking about any other "nationality" regiment from the area of Hungarian kingdom is a reflection of modern day Europe back to the 19th century, what is in my opinion, not worthy for proper Historians. Reality is that, there were Italian, Czech, Austrian, and Hungarian regiments, and in Hungarian regiments, depending in the regiment it was often mixed ethnicity, like the Légion Infernale was, tho major non-Hungarian ethnicity regiments maybe only the Grenzinfantry can be called. This does not take away the merit and coolness of ethnich Romanians and Hungarians who fought in the Légion Infernale, but it was never a Romanian regiment, and nor ethnically nor Politically. Have a nice day gentleman and have fun researching history!

[Lord Davn]

Thank you for the info