Was the Marshal Ney really executed?

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Was the Marshal Ney really executed?

Postby Urbe Romana » Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:30 am

Gentlemen as we all know Michel Ney,one of the most famous Napoleon's marshal was executed on the 7th december 1815 at the luxemburg garden.
but on the net i finded many sites who talk about an escape of Ney in the States.
look at those two sites for example....
http://www.davidson.edu/administrative/ ... ry/ney.htm
http://www.napoleonseries.org/faq/ney.cfm

also those suppositions are made from some historians,so maybe it's not pure fantasy.
what's your opinon about it?



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Postby Sir Thomas Picton » Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:58 am

if escaped that would be cool 8)

but I guess we'll never know.... :cry:

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Postby Lord of Moray » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:00 am

http://www.salisburypost.com/2001oct/100601c.htm

At last!!! this is good news, one thing that nearly reduced me to tears when I was a lad was reading about Ney's fate....

This story fits 'the bravest of the brave'

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Postby Lord of Moray » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:04 am

"E. Francis Udny, a Theosophical writer, is of the belief that the Comte de St.-Germain was not the son of Prince Rakoczy of Transylvania, but because of his age could have been none other than the prince himself, who was known to be of a deep philosophic and mystic nature. The same writer believes the Comte de St. -Germain passed through the ?philosophic death? as Francis Bacon in 1626, as Francois Rakoczy in 1735, and as Comte de St. -Germain in 1784. He also feels that the Comte de St-Germain was the famous Comte de Gabalis, and as Count Hompesch was the last Grand Master of the Knights of Malta. It is well known that many members of the European secret societies have feigned death for various purposes. Marshal Ney, a member of the Society of Unknown Philosophers, escaped the firing squad and under the name of Peter Stuart Ney lived and taught school for over thirty years in North Carolina. On his deathbed, P. 5. Ney told Doctor Locke, the attending physician, that he was Marshal Ney of France."

Free Mason story makes sense.

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Postby Salis De Silver » Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:37 am

Could Ney be the 1st 'Elvis' or 'Lord Lucan' interesting ;)
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Postby monkian » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:14 am

^

Nope, that would be Jesus :wink:

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Postby Mystic Smeg » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:22 am

Along the same lines of flights of fancy, I was told by my old Latin teacher that Ney(after the above) was involved in an attempt by Lord Chochrane to free Napoleon and to make him Emperor of South America. However Napoleon died before Chochrane could 'rescue' him and Ney remained in America.
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Postby Lord Crow » Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:01 am

Thats if you believe he existed monkian :twisted:

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Postby Urbe Romana » Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:40 am

i think that some of those story are just fantsy,i can't believe that Ney got the political strenght to even try to make Napoleon emperor of south Africa..... :?.
but the history of a possible Messieur Peter Ney it's considered also by historians....so who knows? :wink:
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Postby Sir Thomas Picton » Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:39 am

NEY became an american...thats great!! lol :lol: atleast he was safe here...foolish french get rid of there best generals...

but im glad he made it...very goood story...wish they could make a movie out of it...

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Postby Urbe Romana » Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:52 pm

Yes,in my opinon the american government at that time helped many French officers to escape to the new continent,also Napoleon itself after Waterloo was ready to go to the U.S.A,it was his wish,but unfortunaly the British catch him before he could escape.
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Postby nocturnal_wolf » Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:34 pm

I guess the only thing we can do is go to North Carolina and start digging up every body until we find the one wearing the blue uniform.. :)

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Postby Gadger » Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:06 pm

There is much more evidence to suggest he was executed rather than fleaing and starting a new life in NC. But speculists will speculate... :lol:
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Postby Urbe Romana » Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:46 pm

i also doubt about an hipotetical escape of Ney,but it is courios that some historians believe it.
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Postby Sir Thomas Picton » Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:52 am

There is much more evidence to suggest he was executed rather than fleaing and starting a new life in NC.


dont kill my hopes!!! :lol:

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Postby Lord of Moray » Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:18 am

Well just for me, i hope that this is all true, he's my Napoleonic Hero!

The last of the Grand Armee to leave Russia!

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Postby Urbe Romana » Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:31 am

As i know the Burbon hated Ney after he changed site in the 100 days campaign,and a story say that Lord Wellington helped him to escape to the U.S.
after all Wellington was an Officer and a real Gentleman,he also said that the British governor of ST.Helein was to rude with Napoleon years after.
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THE GUARD DIES, AND DOES NOT SURRENDER!".

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"Come to se how a Marshal of France dies"

Marshal Michel Ney



"Up with your head gentlemen those are only bullets not crap"

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Postby nocturnal_wolf » Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:40 pm

yeah, but diplomacy was based on honorability and the way other countries percieved you, not like today where we can be openly hostile and most countries could care less(Although America hasn't had very good mannerisms as of late). Take the revolutionary war for example, even though we(Britain) were quite obviously upset with the way America handled warfare we still attempted to make ourselves quite gentlemanly in the eyes of the rest of the world...btw speaking of Revolutionary War, I watched the Patriot(With Mel Gibson) the other day and was appalled at how historically incorrect they made us out to be! :x

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Postby Arman » Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:27 pm

Nocturnal_wolf unfortunatly this is every since historic movie, they don't give a ... for other nation honor or feeling. They don't like to see another side opinion and get to another side shues.
In Napaleon serries, there was no Borodino at all :-)))) Can you imagine? From childhood we were told that Borodino was given not to save Moscow but Russia honor. That lives of soldiers and officers were sacrificed there not for nothing but for honor of Russian people. And they exclude it from movie at all :-))) And Napolen goes directly into moscow, and when he see the bed of Russian king he says it's to soft and comments "That's why he refuse to fight like a man !"...Gosh.... Russians also are not men...
Nobody cares that Russian army was 3 times smaller then French and that on Borodino rench had 30000 more troops, and battle was not actuall lost. Russain did manage to hold whole day left at night, there was no Boronino, and Russain can't fight like men :-))))
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Postby Arman » Fri Aug 06, 2004 7:28 pm

And actually Paris was hero and Ahiles was bloody bustard :-))) And Hellen was very faith woman....Gosh... love that movies.
Ah forget to mention English princes was also making sex with William Wallace because here husban English prince was homosexsual, did you know about it? Heh watch more Holywood movies. Aby the way soviet's did take part in WWII.. its only America who saved the world :-)))

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Postby Urbe Romana » Sat Aug 07, 2004 5:05 am

i do agree with Arman.
THE GUARD DIES, AND DOES NOT SURRENDER!".

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"Come to se how a Marshal of France dies"

Marshal Michel Ney



"Up with your head gentlemen those are only bullets not crap"

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Postby Lord of Moray » Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:36 am

nocturnal_wolf wrote:yeah, but diplomacy was based on honorability and the way other countries percieved you, not like today where we can be openly hostile and most countries could care less(Although America hasn't had very good mannerisms as of late). Take the revolutionary war for example, even though we(Britain) were quite obviously upset with the way America handled warfare we still attempted to make ourselves quite gentlemanly in the eyes of the rest of the world...btw speaking of Revolutionary War, I watched the Patriot(With Mel Gibson) the other day and was appalled at how historically incorrect they made us out to be! :x


I'm sorry but what has this got to do with Ney!, besides you just pissed off a few Americans, I know this cause i take the complaints.

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Postby Sir Thomas Picton » Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:48 am

lol omg...nicely said Moray...and you tell them to keep the peace!! :twisted:

I dont want to get political...and im not gonna defend the things people like to bash America about (i'll take the punches to the face, but wont fight back, I'll just call for help)..and I wouldent give a penny for politics...

anyways...how old was Ney when he was supposed to be executed

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Postby Urbe Romana » Sat Aug 07, 2004 3:27 pm

To Sir Thomas Picton.
Michel Ney was born at SARRELOUIS "Mosell" the 10 January 1769.
now this city it's in Germany,so Ney was bilingual French-German.
when he was executed he was only 47.
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THE GUARD DIES, AND DOES NOT SURRENDER!".

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"Come to se how a Marshal of France dies"

Marshal Michel Ney



"Up with your head gentlemen those are only bullets not crap"

General Lepic at Eylau

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Postby Lord Crow » Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:28 pm

Where was he executed?


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