what if the emperor's greatest victory was a defeat?

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what if the emperor's greatest victory was a defeat?

Postby Joseon194 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:32 pm

What if the Battle of Austerlitz, One of Napoleon's greatest victories, became one of his greatest defeats? Napoleon at the battle was so confident that the combined Allied force of the Russians and Austrians could be defeated. His strategy, in general, was to lure the bulk of allied force down from the Pratzen Heights and occupy in turn. What if there was a mistake in his battle plan and the Russian-Austrian Army managed to smash the French Army?
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Re: what if the emperor's greatest victory was a defeat?

Postby Lord Desaix » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:58 pm

He knew quite well the abyss of skill between french and allied armies not to mention the poorness of allied commanders.

What if, instead, if Ney hadn't been waiting for 3 hours in the morning June the 16th?
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Re: what if the emperor's greatest victory was a defeat?

Postby DOC » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:14 pm

In all honesty Ney would have walked over the top of the british at quatre bras if he had attacked first thing and i believe this would have put massive pressure on wellington to retreat on the ports and his lifeline to england. Thus leaving the prussians hanging in the breeze, after that well I believe it would have been another battle of the nations but again with the same outcome, but with a lot more misery and death.
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Postby MikeL » Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:43 pm

Apparently this book is an interesting read "Waterloo New Perspectives: The Great Battle Reappraised” by David Hamilton-Williams as it flies against the classic tale we all were brought up with.

I remember reading that sometime after the battle a British Officer decide to make a diorama of the battle and interviewed lots of the generals of all armies to make sure he had all the facts.

When Wellington saw it he had it canned as it showed that it was the Prussians who had won the battle.

Also the British guards beating off the French guard with the "up and at 'em" is disputed by other accounts that The French knocked the British off the ridge but under close artillery fire and meeting stiff resistance from Dutch and other Allied troops were forced to retreat.
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Re: what if the emperor's greatest victory was a defeat?

Postby Druzhina » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:30 am

Joseon194 wrote:What if the Battle of Austerlitz, One of Napoleon's greatest victories, became one of his greatest defeats? Napoleon at the battle was so confident that the combined Allied force of the Russians and Austrians could be defeated. His strategy, in general, was to lure the bulk of allied force down from the Pratzen Heights and occupy in turn. What if there was a mistake in his battle plan and the Russian-Austrian Army managed to smash the French Army?


If the French army was destroyed, which is the least likely outcome even if the French were defeated, Napoleon would have tried to raise a new army. There would have been more manpower still available than in 1813. The Prussians would probably declare war on him and some of the minor states may have joined them.

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