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War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battles

Postby Chuckman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:02 pm

I check Spad's site daily to add more information for potential mod add ons and also for gamers and history buffs. He has created plates for US Seaman so here is a new thread on the navies and naval battles of these factions.

The Naval aspect of this war was arguably more major in its outcome then the naval battles of the Napoleonic War. Interestingly, the US dominated the naval aspect of this war. All of the major naval battles were won by the US, both in inland lakes and in the oceans. Both sides did lose a huge number of ships (hundreds of ships each) to privateers. There were some victories on the British side as well, and in 1814 onwards American naval dominance was at an end.

Still the most important victory for the US was on Lake Champlain, it cut off the Canadian and British invasion army from its supply, forcing them to turn back to Canada. This army would have cut off the New England states which would have probably happily ceded to the British side. The map of The US and Canada may have been different.


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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:07 pm

US Naval Forces

US Personnel
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Below; Late war US Marines; These guarded ports and fought on ships. A detachment was also present (1 company) at some battles and a detachment fought at Bladensberg along with marine gunners; there were 400 or so present.
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US Ships
Inland Lake US Ships on Lake Erie
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USS Niagara Replica
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US Frigates in the Atlantic
This is the USS Constitution, the most successful frigate of the war; still sailing!
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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:08 pm

British Naval Forces

British Personnel
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British Seaman
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An excerpt from Horatio Hornblower, and excellent drama on this aspect of the Napoleonic Wars. The older movie follows the newer series of movies in the time line of the books, and if anything is even better than the new series (both are fantastic).
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiYwruoHhCI&list=LPr8T30rR2_HA&index=2&feature=plcp[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtqwbcmf8TM[/youtube]

British Marines
There were 2 battalions and 1 battalion of West Indian Marines used in the late war as foot infantry in the invasion of the US (there were 5 West Indian regiments total)
http://www.napoleon-series.org/military ... rines.html
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Royal Newfoundland Fencibles; These were Canadian Regulars used as marines in the inland lakes
http://www.warof1812.ca/r_newfld.htm
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British Ships
British Inland Lakes Ships
Definitions and Descriptions of these smaller ship types
http://www.eighteentwelve.ca/?q=eng/Topic/27
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British Frigates and Man O Wars (Man O Wars 1814 on only) on the Atlantic
*One 100 gun Man O War was on Lake Ontario 1814 on also
HMS Shannon; The Most Famous British Ship of the War
A Photo of the Actual Ship can be seen in the site below;
http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index ... ic=14775.0
Man O War
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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:08 pm

Naval Battles; Ship vs Ship Engagements
There were quite a few of these frigate battles.

1812; Atlantic
USS Constitution vs HMS Guerriere; US Victory
http://www.thedearsurprise.com/?p=779
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1813; Atlantic
HMS Shannon vs USS Chesapeake; British Victory
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ ... ms-shannon

There are many other ship vs ship battles. Usually these were won by the US, the British did have dominance in the Atlantic though in 1814 and 1815. As stated, each side lost between 200 and 300 ships to privateers. There were around a dozen or more frigate vs frigate battles as well. Illustrations of these can be seen on the following site;
http://covertress.blogspot.ca/2008/08/e ... -1815.html
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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:09 pm

The Battle of Lake Erie 1813
This was an important victory for the US, without control of the lake the British could not supply their troops in the West. The small Western British army; the 41st regiment and Tecumseh's Natives retreated after this battle. They were run down by a force 4 times bigger and captured, killed or scattered at the Battle of the Thames / Moraviatown.
http://www.battleoflakeerie-bicentennia ... battle.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Erie

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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:09 pm

The Battle of Lake Champlain / Plattsburgh 1814
US Victory; This was one of the most important battles of the war, because of this victory the 10 000 strong Canadian and British invasion army turned back. (Some sources say it was THE most important battle of the war)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Plattsburgh

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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby [N]Clinch » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:19 am

Chuckman wrote:The Battle of Lake Erie 1813 IP

Important Victory for the US
http://www.battleoflakeerie-bicentennia ... battle.php

I live on Erie. Thanks for this. Good info!

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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:48 pm

Thanks Clinch! Their will probably be some good reenactments related to the Battle of Lake Erie. The 200 year anniversary of the first battle; Queenston Heights, was yesterday, I thought about going to the major reenactment but it is 7 hours away (I have been there before), I will probably go to Lundy's Lane and some othes though.
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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:34 pm

More offerings from Spad's website; http://history-uniforms.over-blog.com/#

British Navy Personelle added, also inland British ship and illustration of Consitution vs Guerriere.

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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:55 pm

The only fresh water ship of the line in the British navy HMS St. Lawrence

Larger than HMS Victory at 112 cannons! This ship never fought but helped create a stalemate on Lake Ontario (The US and Canada were both creating first rate ships on this lake; at war's end in 1814 this ship was just built as was a large US ship. Both nations had more 1st raters in progress.

This was the most important lakeke of the war. At the end of the war Britain controlled Lake Huron as well as the whole US coast. The US controlled Lake Champlain and Lake Erie; Lake Ontario was divided

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engagement ... ke_Ontario

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Re: War of 1812; The US and British Navies Plus Naval Battle

Postby Chuckman » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:16 pm

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